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Join the Discord Here: https://discord.gg/cgctjTR5hjHope you all enjoy this video/short from an interesting moment in-game! As if the game and the race to the capture point ends the moment they get to it and then it just sits there waiting for the Panther to roll in. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. Powered by Invision Community, Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. Two world wars and two pandemics are just a few of the many historic events witnessed by Sister Andre during her 118 years. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. And I've never lost my barrel to 50s ever in all the time I've played German tanks. The majority of the 7.92 German ammunition types go seemingly unused in the game, especially all the high velocity variants of the bullets. It requires however quite some skill to shoot targets in RB from a far and you still lose if noone caps. Lets assume competent players who don't gamble. Also, most capture points are arranged such to allow for substantial firing work into/out of them from such ranges. 2. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. Get comfy and ambush them,you said it yourself he has five options give him a sixth one he forgot, two places they'll never look behind themselves or above themselves or I guess threeif you count beingfar away. The turret is ok, not the best, but gives the 76mm and 85mm some trouble. Just shoot turret for an easy penetration anywhere within 2km, and watch as the king tigers ammo gives a nice firework display. Easier to spot in open terrain and gives you enough time for an aimed shot? In real life, German cats had a more advanced system/concept known as regenerative steering, this is vastly more energy efficient and especially useful for these heavy late wartanks, and other tanks after the war. Those three qualities are what control the tank's ability. panzer ii ausf l luchs mit bildern panzer panzer ii. With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. And I'll give you the T29 it was worthy of 7.0 but if your gonna sit here and argue the T34/30 are suddenly worthy of 7.0 you have a biased opinion. Sometimes it works. Nobody likes uptiers and Germans are no exception--but theyre not suffering any more than anyone else. Yes, but just pointing out that "Japanese bias" has been used before. Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? Your best chance would be using Japan yourself, Ah I see. Pretty immune to 88's. I agree though that the lines should be redone, but not only for Germany but for all the nations. It has a good gun, but it is about as slow as it gets, not to mention it makes the panthers reverse speed look fast. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. In the early days I would have now I just think its better to grab a turtle and snipe, small and fast is for fun whenyou want to explore or get bored. Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. Not sure why, maybe it's a new bug or there's a spall shield I'm unaware of, but it's really annoying. Ammo rack closest in the hull so you'd just one bang it. And i find that the 88 one shots the T series rather easily now through the turret. Done. I am obviously not among the greatest pilots out there but I am decent from what I found on thunderskill and I have to say this is plain wrong. You can skip APCR because it won't do much. Fapadoska, 1 hour ago in Questions to the Team. Think a bit ahead. Oh definitely trade-offs are to be expected. More like genre savvy actuallyI know the score. Top tier meta is good survivability, mobility, and gun handling, as armor doesn't matter with laser rangefinders and high velocity APFSDS along with lots of CQB maps making weakspots easily hit. that I won't be able to catch if I miss (only to in best case scenario get about 2k sl from the kill)? It's just so effective and has a good size-able ammunition pool. Doesn't fit good mobility meta. Bouncing for when we are talking about the gun of Hellcat (especially the 90mm), Marder and Archer. Theirs only one stabilized apds atgm thrower and its premium. encyclopedia. Download Free PDF View PDF. Powered by Invision Community. Is a panther really a good vehicle for flanking? There is big IF in virtually every of your arguments. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. When I played my 6.0s, uptiers to 6.3 and 6.7 were common but things worked out well. I don't think the hull of the king tiger is worse, it's obviously better, I'm just saying it's not better by a huge margin. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. MBIZO CHIRASHA( International -Zimbabwean) is a Pan-Writivism Laureate Literary Arts Activism Diplomate/Influencer, Certified Projects Curator, African Writing Associate/Visiting Arts Programs, World Renowned Anthologist, Poet in-Residence Emeritus ,Festivals Convener/Speaker/ SpokenWordArtist. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Which is situational and works only on several maps. They have large gun built on small and light chassis, so the weight of the gun makes it bounce after braking. #15. - He will go around you (most maps allow that) and pop up in you rear. Germany has a P-47 that lacks bombs and rockets, which means it is not burdened by those as distractions or dead weight in the case of opposing fighters. With a particular fixation on the M18, German players often complain about German vehicles and how they lack the mobility of their Allied opponents. The merits of ground vehicles rely on the triad--armor, firepower and mobility. I wrote Panther II and T-44-100, which are the medium tanks of BR 6.7-7.0, actual competitors to the Cent 3. . While it is true that many people, with all sorts of involvement in other trees, play Germany it is also true that many of the people who play the German tree only play the German tech tree. If he sees that you do dare to cap he will just rush back because he has the speed. It was introduced in Update "Red Skies". What do you expect? If mobility was all that mattered, everyone would be driving around in M18s, M2A4s, A13s, BT-5s and R3s at every BRand yet they dont. If your going to pull the hvars are the best thing out their it shows how little you know. And as a you tube person showed in his video and based on the evidence presented its quite obviousEast Germany will carry Germanyand save top tier balance. And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. Yes, but we should be discussing balance based on tanks that are actually in the tech tree. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. Isn't it also true that many of the people who play the soviet tree only play the soviet tree? It is almost exactly the same as the normal Tiger II, about the same play time yet it has a 47% WR compared to 43%. France truly suffers, the major trees offer too much, France needs more! The Soviet nation has very little at 6.X--almost as few vehicles as the Americans do at 4.X. Most German fighters can either take a 500kg bomb or a 250kg bomb. The Tiger I is hard to play and inferior to the Panther! What about T95? It depends; the objectives can be just as deadly for lightweights too. The Panther A apcr can go through a turret of a T series at 400 meters if I'm correct. You can go through things but often times you die. Just hide behind a hill or a tree and wait till the panther finally arrives, and then shoot that big juicy target in the side (i do that all the time, the best vehicle to kill king tigers is actually the M56 Scorpion). This puts Germany in a lose/lose position when choosing their plane to call in. I've had heat go through and kill the guy that fired the round but never not blocked the shot. As a mainly (90% of battles or more) German player I have to debunk one thing. I'm also fine with the T30 at 6.7 since it has such a long reload, but the T34 really ought to be 7.0 just because of how ridiculous it is against 5.7s in a downtier. Aside from the pre-nerf Horton flying wing, Germany really hasn't had a plane that could both match allied CAS's ability to make multiple strikes against hard targets and simultaneously hold its own in securing the airspace. He can get to cap first and setup an ambush. I am losing a little over half my team (if my team is made up of mainly germans, which it generally is, otherwise about a quarter leave) before the 3 minute . - If its not, he will hide and wait till you cap. Also the air tech tree actually is borderline OP too. (well until last update and the introduction of M41). Long range eliminations tend to be how I foil most of the cappers I kill. warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming, Germany has a p-47 just like the allies? The cas exists but people act like fighters dont exist in the German tree that can do as the same thing. Denying that problem only makes it worse. Germany's problem,at least when it comes to ww2 vehicles, is lack of brawling vehicles past 5.7. The long 88 can kill the Cent before it can point precisely on its turret cheek. I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. King tiger turret is just a big flat sheet of 185mm armor. Eh, you can get the same effect with having a slow vehicle suddenly appear where no one expects it at a particular time, it also brings a more shock and awe effect as its victims try to fathem what they are looking at and how it gotthere, thegood times to be had Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. On the contrary, the mixture of traits that German vehicles get is often favorable. If you would have told me you hit the outsides of the turret face no real angling makes it any flatter than what it is. You can do just as well with a vehicle that has different strengths if you use those strengths correctly. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. To say that Germany suffers over this is wrong. Oftentimes, if left unharnessed, the cannon birds have better potential to destroy multiple targets. East Germnay also has access to the BMP-2 as well. Relative merit is in play here. Because heat rounds don't care about armor. Just because there would be more open maps doesn't mean we can't have CQC maps. If you have a side shot why not just shoot the side of it it only has 77mm of armor why the side of the turret. I invite others to list other claims of alleged German suffering so that those can be talked about. Not enough apparently the M41 appears to be shrouded in mediocrity that is the M41. Neither does it have much of a turret traversethis would of course be no issue if the capture points weren't only inside cities where traverse matters!). Only part of Germany that suffers is really top tier air. At 6.7 the US T series are much more survivable when it comes to being hit. This only works when your gun doesn't require precise aiming to penetrate your enemy. Also Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. I will keep the scope of this topic to relate to BRs 1.0 to 7.0 in RB, with the primary emphasis being on 4.X-5.X. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. While German vehicles cannot quite match others vehicles in a drag race, this does not mean German vehicles are bad. Having the Panther 2 in game used to alleviate this problem and give 6.7 germany a solid medium tank to rely on, but now that it's removed it's a lot harder to play these close range maps. For the record, I am always sporting a tank only line-up in ground battles, I just hate planes and helis in ground battles. Then you have very bad chances to win as USA, since you won't be able to flank them. (This topic will likely be flooded by people doing exactly this or otherwise trying to hijack the thread.). Noone does the same with panthers. Hell no, you can still get kills if you have a decent team and play smart. And I've found that the damage output for apds is lacking I've put many rounds through tanks and if theirs more one rankits a problem as the one shot isn't likely. The Me 410 B-6/R3 is considerably more competitive than people think. You can flank it and still fail to pen with many of the guns at this BR. The best editions of doctor oz supplement pills for ed Florus are Duker s, 2 vols. One last thing I forgot is american tanks have .50s, so good luck aiming for weak spots when your enemy is blinding you and taking out your barrel literally as soon as he spots you. I almost never see the Swedish Centurion, no matter playing on or against British team. (Petrol tanks under turret basket magicallyexplode when turret penned). I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions.And BTW i also played all three major nations. This is of course a burden if you're in a CQC situation where the APDS will easily pen your frontal armor. Most american team comps I see are at least 80% heavy tanks but they get away with it because their heavies can actually reliably bounce shots. Last time I played my king tiger I shot the T34s barrel as that was the only spot I knew I could reliably disarm him, then he just took out my barrel with .50s and I got killed by one of his teammates. They are the equivalent to the surge of M22s that the allies occasionally see when some overly loud youtuber decides to make a video about "haha ebic meme tank"causing an influx. Sell, buy or trade War Thunder Items and Services here. Or a Jagdtiger? Click here to jump to that post. On the afternoon of 21 November 1995, Grant suffered a fatal heart attack while driving to his home at Eastbourne with his son Warren. The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. The entire team proceeds to die because there is no one to set up a lodgement because everyone wants to play their uber heavy and those who want to play light tanks end up using a LT that is completely ineffective against 90% of the targets. Call me when it has the bombs and rockets just like the allies. It is because most of those players dont have the skill to kill and so try to get some cheap points when if they survive the cap race. Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans. Are king tigers unplayable? Those three qualities are what control the tank's ability. Other nations have a lot of fast backups with good guns, like the M18, T114, M50, ASU 85, Falcon etc. I'm talking about the teams steamsad 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. 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